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May 24, 2010, 11:59 AM
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personal USE ..... is against the EULA
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You are reading this out of context. What Pelt is saying is for personal use which is what Technet is for. He is not talking about selling the extra keys to people, just some of the stuff he will receive in it and would be able to install/run on other machines he may have (including if he maintains his parents). His post is not encouraging illegal activities and therefore is not deemed an infraction
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Actually its not. What Pelt is saying is EXACTLY what technet was setup for. Technet is personal use only. BUT it is unlimited use on your own personal systems. MS wants enthusiasts be they IT pros or hobbyists to use, know and like MS products. Once again recomding that someone else get technet for their own kit is NOT illegal. SELLING your keys IS illegal. Buying $10 key off fleabay could also be considered illegal. BUYING a subscription to a legal service is NOT illegal.
Technet as a single user license to evaluate Microsoft products in a non productive environment by IT Professionals to determine the suitability in their environment in order to better determine which products to acquire (properly) for implementation isn't difficult to comprehend.
Suggesting/condoning that one use the subscription as a means of acquiring MS products on the cheap for USE in one's home enviroment by MULTIPLE users for the lifespan of the product in order to avoid purchasing Microsoft's products in accordance with their EULAs is clearly an illegal activity.
Yes, there are lots of people in many forums with the same self justification in twisting the intent of the program. Choosing to misinterpret, construe, and ignore the key words of the EULA to suit oneself and knowing full well Microsoft isn't going to find/sue one doesn't make it legal.
The following are other opinions to back my stance on this issue:
Microsoft employee posting in microsoft.public.technet newsgroup
July 03, 2009
Yes there is a comprehensive EULA for all the software available to TechNet subscribers.
All downloadable software is for evaluation purposes only.
You may not use it on personal machines for day to day work, such as on your home machine to send and receive your normal e-mails or run a spreadsheet for your finances or write a letter in a word processor.
TechNet is not a cheap way of getting software for your own day to day use - for that you buy it like everyone else.
TechNet software is for eval only.
This is clearly stated at
What are TechNet Plus subscriptions? | TechNet Plus Subscriptions
Microsoft software licensed for evaluation purposes. Evaluate full-version
commercial products without time limits or feature limits, including
Microsoft operating systems, servers, and Office System software. With
full-version software, you can make informed decisions about new
technologies and deployments at your own pace.
Meaning, if you're planning on buying a subscription to get the software for personal use on your machines, you've violated the EULA that you will have to agree to for either to get the software. Second, you can run MSDN or Technet software on YOUR machines only, and ONLY FOR EVALUATION PURPOSES, not for everyday use, and NOT on any machines that are not going to be actively used by you (aka your friends' machines), that is also in violation of the technet or MSDN EULA that you'll have to agree to when you sign up for and purchase the service You really, REALLY need to understand what "Evaluate" and "only" mean, and what the statement "only the licensed subscriber may use the included products" mean to truly understand the EULA. If what you think is possible with a Technet plus subscription was actually possible, why would Microsoft sell any product at all when you could get around it for $350 a year?
Global Admistrator quote:
It is for "evaluation" use only. That is, for businesses needing to test suitability and compatibility. Not for home users wanting to warez a bunch of copies.
The Windows Blog on acquiring Windows 7
For IT Professionals:
There are a few ways you can get Windows 7 RTM. IT Professionals with TechNet Subscriptions will be able to download Windows 7 RTM in English on August 6th
For Beta Testers & Enthusiasts:
I know there have been some rumors going around about a “family pack” for Windows 7. We have heard a lot of feedback from beta testers and enthusiasts over the last 3 years that we need a better solution for homes with multiple PCs. I’m happy to confirm that we will indeed be offering a family pack of Windows 7 Home Premium (in select markets) which will allow installation on up to 3 PCs.
Windows 7 will be in retail stores and shipping on new PCs starting October 22nd.
Other random opinions I agree with.
just because one CAN do something, doesn't make it legal.
and the EULA clearly states that none of the products can be used in a production environment.
if you are using them in that type of environment, then you are breaking the EULA.
You can rationalize it any way you like. It's still against the EULA for the technet subscription.
if you want to break the EULA, go ahead, but please don't try to "inform" other people that it's fine to do so.
anyone with a brain can understand the difference between a production environment and a testing environment.
To me, a 'test' environment is one removed from production for the purposes of testing new product.
Production is a machine where you do everyday tasks such as surfing & email & whatever else.
Is anyone going to bust you for using them inappropriately? I doubt it. Are you breaking the EULA? If you ask Microsoft's lawyers, you know the answer will be yes.
Using the technet subscription in the way its sounding from the initial few posts is pretty obviously against the EULA.
Like other posters mentioned, you can try to rationalize anything away, but it's clearly not for testing purposes. While I will agree that a testing period could be multi-year, that doesn't mean this type of usage is in accordance with the EULA.
If you think the usage scenario's are too GRAY an area to distinguish between testing/production, use this question:
After buying the technet subscription, and evaluating the software it provides - do you have a real intention of then going out and making a purchase of 3 copies of windows 7 , the OEM version of WHS, and office 2010? Testing means that purchase is a very real option, and it pretty clearly sounds like this isn't a case you'd be purchasing the software after you purchased the technet subscription, you are purchasing the subscription in lieu of buying the actual software....therefore not testing.
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