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Old May 19, 2010, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Perineum View Post
I have to agree and disagree.

I agree with your statement about users. I *ACTUALLY* had to teach an older woman about picking up a mouse and moving it to the top of the mouse pad in order to move the mouse pointer further down. She had run out of mouse pad and couldn't get the cursor to the taskbar. I actually started to smile when I thought she was pulling my leg but quickly recovered when I realized she was dead serious.
...so a closed and controlled system is not bad afterall ?

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I agree with your statement about users. I *ACTUALLY* had to teach an older woman about picking up a mouse and moving it to the top of the mouse pad in order to move the mouse pointer further down. She had run out of mouse pad and couldn't get the cursor to the taskbar. I actually started to smile when I thought she was pulling my leg but quickly recovered when I realized she was dead serious.

I disagree about PC companies not caring. Microsoft bends over backwards to try and help out moronic users. I mean.... how many UAC style prompts do we have to endure now in order to be TOTALLY sure about installing "THIS_IS_A_VIRUS.EXE"? The browser blocks the download, which you override. Then when you double click on it you get another requester that is titled "OPEN FILE - SECURITY WARNING" which then tries to tell you about the dangers of the file type to which you can "open" or "cancel". Even after alllllllll that you'll get a UAC prompt that darkens and focuses the screen for the most ADHD ridden user, again, trying to warn them.

Don't you think these people deserve it sometimes?

I've seen people browsing on 19" monitors with 10 fking toolbars! It's worse than browsing from my phone as my phone has more actual screen space! It's not hard to turn them off either anymore!

MS gives out free antivirus, and made Windows Defender part of the OS.
The UAC was about as usefull and annoying as a popup of a duck asking you for your credit card number. imo again.

And -yes-, they deserve it and pay for being retarded which is perfect.


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No, not really. I've just taught her where to look, and fine tune her "Bull-shit-o-meter". When webbrowsing, I've taught her to look first where the link is going to take her before clicking. This is done by hovering the mouse over the link and then looking in the bottom left corner to see where it's going to go. Furthermore I've taught her about how domains on the net work. IE: paypal.com.security.ru is *not* from security.paypal.com.

She's gotten herself in a bit too deep but then had her "spidey sense" tingling, then asked me about it. She did stop before there was a problem though.

I *try* and teach it to anyone who'll listen, not just her.
Well that sums up a 'closed' and well controled system/environement again hehe
IMO it's the best system that you can do -unless- being a business of computer repair of course


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Originally Posted by Remoth View Post
I know there are problems there, but like I said, to me and 99% of the people I know, the problems arent big enough to spend the extra cash on a mac. People love the idea of getting a great computer for $900. If you really care about the little things in the OS, then a mac is for you.

I know they use workstation parts in the Mac pro, but so what? The server version of the i7 is only like $20 more than the i7 920, and the motherboards arent much more than good desktop boards, Ram is like $20 more as well. Just because they are classified as workstations does not justify the double price tag. especially when in terms of functionality, the mac pro case is severely outdated. I wouldnt call it a workstation if it were inferior to a $100 case from newegg.... And I know, I know, other OEMs have workstations similar, and thats why I will never buy an OEM as long as I can build my own now.

And I know its a laptop problem, I still dont like it, lol.
People don't actually want a 'great' computer (ie PC) for a low price... they were taught to think that they want a cheap windows PC with a fuckton of ram and nothing else... heck LOL SNAP FEATURE /ME WANTS comes from somewhere. Tell them that they could stack up windows like that since iirc win 3.1 and of course they will argue with you that it's not true, because the TV said it was new

If you would seat a few computer nubcakes in a room with people with as much "PC" as "Mac" knowledge and both party would explain all the pros and cons of owning both machines, I can nearly guaranty you that at least 3/4 if not more of the people will just buy a mac and be happy with it.

Again for the "omgz old hardware lolwut" case, remember: Apple build a computer around its OS and not the other way around. They give you already some pretty good hardware and some things that other company don't offer, ie fully buffered DIMM or the potential to "address" more ram with 32bit addressing, auto-clean function of the case, etc. If they don't think you need more than this, you don't. If you want more then pay for it. Welcome to the world of products vs solutions.

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Originally Posted by Perineum View Post
Much like my earlier example about the guy who got a replacement Mac for the one that died. He didn't have a Mac failure. He got a "free" laptop using a warranty he paid for. He'd score pretty high on the "customer satisfaction" reviews even though his Mac blew up.
I think you can't say a single bad thing about Apple Care if you know the full extent of what they do to make you a happy customer.

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Originally Posted by Synth View Post
[/I]I see it as a pro as well: whilst Windows Vista and 7 had launch issues because of drivers (like the nVidia ones for example), it was a non-issue for Mac OSX.
Well for the "less", it's simple: EFI. On one side you have people using a 8bit retarded chip and have driver problem and on the other, well you have -this-. No wonder that one works better than the other


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And I wouldn't say that Macs are "hardly" upgradable - they are just "not" upgradable. As soon as you pop open your Mini, you can bet your @ss you've broken retaining pins off the lid and your warranty is void. Is that a con? To an overclocker, modder, etc - yes. To a regular user? No.
Hardware guys are not even remotely targeted by Apple. ;)

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Originally Posted by lowfat View Post
Have you looked inside a mac pro case? Outdated? It is easier to work on than ANY other system out there.

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Exactly. It's a freakin well build workstation. :)

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Originally Posted by Thund3rball View Post
Funny, maybe a month or 2 ago my G5 tower was throwing a fit due to overheating, So I thought I'd do some simple maintenance on it since none has ever really been done. When it came time to pull the HSF... oh wait, first there is this shroud that you have to practically break off to get to the HSF, lmao. Ya... really easy.

I do however LOVE the slide in HDD trays on my new Mac Tower. Hardly an Apple invention I'm sure but a nice touch.
Again as I said to about anyone saying that it's hard to be repaired... take the tower and give it to a professional Apple repair guy. He will fix your problem quickly and it won't cost you a bundle of time and money.
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